saying we can't do this without tenure. that's what allows us to stand up to principals getting things wrong. yo younger teachers saying the union protects me enough. fabulous exchange. >> it was. >> those teachers shared, there were teachers in the audience who agreed more with you than they might agree with someone else. and then there were teachers who were very protective of the union as you might expect but i think those two hours illuminated -- >> i hope you were joking about me being a union barber. i'm absolutely not but i don't think you can go up to harlem or the south bronx or you're working in a school, especially, though, in new york where we have charters, public charters that work and you have unions that are placing caps on it and seeing kids trapped in the south bronx and harlem and brooklyn. i don't know how you don't look at that situation and say, it's immoral. >> well, the unions aren't controlling the outcomes here. now, they have a concern that is legitimate which is -- this is a historic concern and all educational systems is where are the resources going? we us

surprise to me. what else? >> tommy says i'm awake because my neighbor used the hot tub to make chilli and it exploded in the middle of the night. >> that tells you everything you need to know about new york jets fans, using their hot tub to make chilli for a football party. it's time for education. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> we have gotten so used to failure. we tolerate failure in places like d.c. and central harlem, detroit. we tolerate that failure. we have to say to this nation, no more, there's no downside to failure. you can fail those kids for another 20 years. everybody keeps their job. >> it's about jobs. >> no business in america would be in existence if it ran like. this we can't have our school system running like this. >>> welcome to a special edition of "morning joe." we're live. do you know where we are, joe? >> i have no idea. >> education plaza. learning plaza. are you going to learn something, boys, today? >> no. willie, how were you in school? >> good, not great. >> i was bad, not good. >> you were? >> yeah. >> you'll learn something today. i think you migh

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